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    Barging and Proper Course

    howdy;

    Had some fun this past weekend at Big Daddy, especially in race 1 of PHRF D. I had a barger coming in from astern between me and the committee boat before the gun. I took 'em up, like ya should. We were a few seconds late, so the gun went off before we crossed the line--they started yelling at us for proper course. I was turning down anyway to start but I guess not fast enough to suit them--they flew a protest flag. After the race we went over to talk it through and they withdrew their protest--but only because they didn't want to go to the room (thank god). They still believed that we had to steer "proper course" once the gun went off.

    That is BS, and below please find Dave Perry's explanation. Long story short--if you come in from astern and to windward to barge, you're barging all the time until you cross the line--anyone leeward of you who you overtake can take you all the way up head to wind if they want, as long as they want, before and after the gun goes off, and you're fucked, even if you have 40 years of racing experience.

    Moral: don't barge.

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    The protester should always have to buy a round at the bar, for both crews, before the trip to the argument chambers, IMHO.
    "Honey Badger don't give a shit"

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    IMHO, barging, by which I mean sneaking in on a full-speed reach when other boats are chugging along close-hauled (and not necessarily the situation you had to deal with) can sometimes get you a really good start when there is a bit of looseness in the fleet; but if you try it you should have *no* illusions about ROW. If someone has been racing for 40 years they should know this and any attempt at falsifying the rules to get rights during the maneuver is a violation of rule about good sportsmanship...( I forget the number and won't pretend to be an expert by looking it up.)

    ps--Patrick M. Royce advocated that protests should be *mandatory*; therefore I think he'd disagree that prosters should have to pay any scot for the priviledge. I think the idea behind his view was that protests are the only way to promote obedience to the racing rules and that is the only way for sailors to be safe and have fun.

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    well to me, barging is only barging if there's a reasonable chance someone might shut the door on you. OTOH if you're coming in on starboard and you've done a better job timing your start and everyone else is early and is headed down towards the pin, you're cool.

    On a related note, I'd never seen Dave Perry's book before my tactician posted that page. I ordered it from amazon early monday AM and it arrived *later that day*! i've already read it cover to cover and it is very helpful. I really like the simple, down-to-earth, example-driven format.

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    I like the talking cartoon fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobw View Post
    well to me, barging is only barging if there's a reasonable chance someone might shut the door on you. OTOH if you're coming in on starboard and you've done a better job timing your start and everyone else is early and is headed down towards the pin, you're cool.

    On a related note, I'd never seen Dave Perry's book before my tactician posted that page. I ordered it from amazon early monday AM and it arrived *later that day*! i've already read it cover to cover and it is very helpful. I really like the simple, down-to-earth, example-driven format.
    I've heard plenty of good things about it and will check it out. As Hanno mentions, cartoons can make things more interesting--one of the reasons I've always been a big fan of Patrick M. Royce's books. The racing rules can be pretty daunting unless you already have a good feel for them, but I'll add that the case book is far more readable--precisely because it is based on real examples you can picture yourself in.


    http://www.sailing.org/tools/documen...5B18282%5D.pdf
    http://www.sailing.org/tools/documen...5B16130%5D.pdf

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    Just a reminder that Dave Perry will be speaking on the rules at a YRA Racers Social on Wednesday at Encinal.

    I hear you can get his book and get signed at the event.

    See Don's post for details.

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    Yeah, can you find me a definition of barging anywhere in the RRS?

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    It's like Justice Stewart's definition for hard-core pornography.

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    I ran into Bob Thalman, US Sailing Senior Judge in Area G, at the CYC at the last day of the Mids, and we laughed as we recalled an incident between the Can and Bob's Knarr a few CYC Mids ago. The Committee was up by about 15 degrees, so he positioned nearly perfectly with about 20 seconds to go. We slipped in behind him, and he immediately began luffing and chuffing. We saw, though, that he was a few seconds early, and would have to turn down to avoid OCS. He squeezed us up to within about a foot of his boat and the RC, then, as predicted (WHEW!!), turned down, giving us a clean start on his weather quarter. He turned around, and yelled "What the #!*% are you doing there?!". To which, we seeing no red flag, and not hearing "Protest" from my friend Mr. Thalman, replied "Starting!"
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