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    That area is called Terminal 1, it is the oldest terminal facility in Richmond (1909). Toll Bro's bid on it several years ago and entered into a sale agreement with the city, but the project ultimately was terminated, and Toll Bros left town. Locals not happy w/design, plus some issues w/CEQA. By the time they got approved re-designs and finalized CEQA, market imploded and Toll Bros moved on. Property's been vacant for some time, but an RFP opened up in July 2012. So far 3 responses and the RFP period now closed. By terms of settlement agreement w/Toll Brothers on vacating their land disposition agreement, whoever gets the property and plans to build condos - must comply w/the design guidelines and form guidelines from the previous round. The property had been offered up on an interim basis to ACEA and various teams for the 34th AC cycle. I don't think it will be available for the 35th cycle, although there are other shorefront areas in Richmond which would be useful and attractive for use by whoever will be running the 35th AC gig. Plenty of room to consolidate all teams in one location, lots of housing - and at decent prices. Both Alameda and Richmond have their attractions and drawbacks. Alameda has a vibrant center and unique cultural flavor, but you have to deal w/the tube and then Bay Bridge to get to SF (unless ACEA put in ferry service....). Richmond has good access, commute, and pricing, but it's ... Richmond. Perhaps attitudes have and/or will change in ACEA/the Defender - but in the last cycle they took a dim view of 'soiling' themselves with any contact w/the East Bay - that could have been a function of labor agreements set up w/City of SF, and a keen desire to localize as much (taxable) revenue as possible only in SF so that the hosting no's would look good. With a general re-think of the event going on, perhaps they'll re-consider.

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    None of the 3 proposals received for Terminal 1 are particularly compelling and the City is not obligated to accept any of them.

    I got burned out working on this project the last time. A couple hundred hours, resources consumed, no pay - free marketing for the City. Someone else can pick up the mantle.

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    You suppose the City of Richmond would be interested in a short term lease?

    Housing in Richmond was a sticking point, at least in the area's that are safe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Photoboy View Post
    You suppose the City of Richmond would be interested in a short term lease?

    Housing in Richmond was a sticking point, at least in the area's that are safe...
    Why was housing a sticking point? There were crate loads of it available and we offered to do full team bundles.

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    If they truly want to bring sailing to the masses I've got the answer: Red Rock!

    Make AC35 survivor style. Make all the teams stay on red rock for the duration of the regatta. Release some pigs, hide some supplies like hydraulic fluid or matches. Have challenges for things like duct tape or west systems. Last team able to go out and complete the course wins!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donut Town View Post
    Why was housing a sticking point? There were crate loads of it available and we offered to do full team bundles.
    The teams have their families with them, and if they don't have to commute long distances, they can concentrate on the campaigns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Photoboy View Post
    The teams have their families with them, and if they don't have to commute long distances, they can concentrate on the campaigns.
    We don't have enough data points with only four teams total competing to get a good understanding between the trade off between commuting to SF city front by car or boat posse from affordable communities, vs. paying the rent piper in SF.
    The bellwether in this would be Artemis. Enough local knowledge to want to NOT be based in the City. They were more than willing to do the waterborne commute.
    For LR and ETNZ, that desire to be close to where sailing would launch from and public spectator facilities drove their decisions to be city side. But they learned the hard way that it cost quite a bit. ETNZ was bunched up near P30/32, but most didn't have cars, and didn't realize that it wasn't all that family friendly. Nearest Safeway? kids recreation center?

    I like the idea of "Survivor - Red Rock" though. Might be crowded with all the pigs and teams. Trivia: Ellison considered buying it at one time. It's fairly undevelopable. Try to reckon where you'd plop a 6K sq ft mini manse on her? He gave up after wading through the incongruent bureaucracy of the 3 counties that transect the rock.

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    Whats the vagrancy rate in San Rafael these days?

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    USA 71 2B Recycled

    ORACLE TEAM USA, winner of the 34th America’s Cup, and Boeing [NYSE: BA] are collaborating to recycle 7,000 pounds (about 3,175 kilograms) of carbon fiber of USA-71, a yacht built for the America’s Cup campaign in 2003. The hull and mast of the racing yacht will be processed and repurposed, a first-of-its-kind effort for what will likely be the largest carbon structure ever recycled.

    ORACLE TEAM USA and Boeing, working with research partners, will utilize a technique developed to recycle composite materials from Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner, which is 50 percent composite by weight and 20 percent more fuel-efficient than similarly sized aircraft. Composite materials allow a lighter, simpler structure, which increases efficiency, and do not fatigue or corrode. In yachts, composite construction also provides the ability to develop a lighter vessel that is stronger and stiffer at the same time.

    "The introduction of composites in yacht construction was a major step in our sport. The materials and processes have continued to evolve, allowing us to build the high-tech, high-speed AC72 catamarans raced in this year's America's Cup," said Chris Sitzenstock, ORACLE TEAM USA logistics. "Now, we have the ability to work with Boeing to take the next steps in composite recycling, and to help reduce our environmental footprint. We will also look to recycle carbon components remaining from the build of our yachts."

    “Boeing leads the commercial aviation industry in increasing the use and recycling of composites to improve aircraft fuel efficiency and reduce greenhouse gas emissions,” said Billy Glover, Boeing Commercial Airplanes vice president of market strategy. “We are very pleased now to work with ORACLE TEAM USA, which transformed the science of sailing to win the America’s Cup, to advance sustainability and the science of composite recycling.”

    Boeing and ORACLE TEAM USA will work with the University of Nottingham in the United Kingdom and MIT-RCF, a South Carolina company focused on repurposing carbon fiber components. USA-71’s hull will be cut into 4-foot sections and the mast will be chopped into manageable pieces before it is processed; about 75 percent of the recycled composites will come from the hull and the remaining 25 percent from the mast.

    Through these processes, Boeing and ORACLE TEAM USA expect to gather data about the mechanical properties, costs and time flows to recycle sailing-grade composite materials in comparison to aerospace-grade and automobile-grade composites. The companies have not determined the post-recycling use of the yacht’s carbon fiber, but potential end uses include consumer and industrial products.

    USA-71 facts:

    Launched in June 2002
    First America's Cup Class yacht built by ORACLE TEAM USA for training during the 2003 campaign
    Boat was a corporate symbol in front of Oracle Corp. headquarters for 6 years
    Total hull weight: 2.5 tons
    Weight of composites to be recycled: 7,000 lbs. (about 3,175 kg)
    Length: 25 meters (120 feet)
    Width: 3.8 meters (12 feet)
    Height of the mast: 32 meters (105 feet)
    Weight of the bulb: 19 tons
    Sail surface area: 325 m˛ upwind, 750 m˛ downwind
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    Length: 25 meters (120 feet) ?

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    It's a euro conversion thing.

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